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they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents for all time -- >> neil: you would give a republican the same eye am going to save this tape. when it comes to that, i am going to have you back. >> hopefully, that won't be for a long time. >> neil: i thought you would say that, touche. >> okay. >> neil: from help out of d.c. to big doings in d.c., the city is getting readyr spiffy for a piece of history. the president's inauguration on monday. since january 20 falls on a sunday, the president will be privately sworn in that day. but the hoopla is all on monday, across the capitol. and we will be there again. probably n
they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents...
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>> let me just say that the president has already sign into law about $2.4 trillion worth of deficit reduction and three-quarters of that -- >> wars we stopped fighting, already factored in. >> a bunch of that is for spending cuts. not necessarily spending cults i really -- cuts i like but spending cuts nonetheless. >> you disagree with him when he says we don't have a spending problem? >> no. i think we do have certain things we can cut in spending, but in fact right now, i think the crisis we have right now is a jobs crisis. i think it's an income inequality crisis in our country. i think there's an investment crisis. we don't talk enough, neil, about the third leg of debt reduction, which is not only spending, not only raising revenue, but growth in the economy. and you know? this debt ceiling issue is just crazy. i stand -- >> was it crazy seven years ago when your democratic colleague voted against raising it? was it crazy then? >> well, except it wasn't real and this is real. the last final -- >> real is in the eye of the beholder. >> no, no. >> i guess it's -- >> it was more -
>> let me just say that the president has already sign into law about $2.4 trillion worth of deficit reduction and three-quarters of that -- >> wars we stopped fighting, already factored in. >> a bunch of that is for spending cuts. not necessarily spending cults i really -- cuts i like but spending cuts nonetheless. >> you disagree with him when he says we don't have a spending problem? >> no. i think we do have certain things we can cut in spending, but in fact...
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so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he has a plan that mr. bolster the republicans hand when it comes to dealing with the democrats on the issue of debt and much more. ohio senator rob portman is here. and what do you make of obama, only 2006 a vote against the debt ceiling. >> it went further than that. he said it would be unpatriotic. >> sean: that's another, i actually have that clip. you want to see it. >> sure. >> sean: let's show the videotape. >> the problem is, is that the way bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the bank of china in the name of our children, driving up our national debt
so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he...
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he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that is not what polling shows. it shows people want to get spending under control. >> sean: for a brief hour the obama media which did not go do a good job from my estimation woke up and challenged him. and looked angry on hypocrisy. how would you deal with the president that is very good at politics, demonizing and pushing republicans into a corner? what is the best strategy? >> well, i agree with you it's interesting. you had reporters saying wait a minute. you said just the opposite but also said the point just made a second ago which is why are you saying it's been straight a
he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that...
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. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid. the debt we incurred was paid for through various bonds. world war i to world war ii, fdr got together with the treasury secretary and set let's put a debt ceiling op and they started to borrow money. that amount in 1949 was $45 billion. today, $16.4 trillion. that is 46,400% higher. between 1939 and 1980, we never exceeded $1 trillion in debt. now we push $17 trillion. the problem with the sound bite is president obama was the guy
. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix...
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. >> megyn: and my last question for you quickly he's put in place, 3.25 in place of deficit reduction, a little short of 4 trillion we need, but he would have the american public believe he's significantly reduced our deficit as president. >> which makes you wonder why we need another 2 trillion dollars so desperately now as we are getting ready for the beginning of his second term. obviously, that's 2 1/2 trillion that is, well, fanciful in my opinion and ethereal in others and it's not a reduction in baseline, it's a reduction in the rate of growth of spending, which is again suffocating to the private economy and unsustainable over the course of the next several years. >> megyn: one thing we did hear the president reference personally, we heard it from nancy pelosi prior, but the president personally talking about now closing more loopholes and that means higher taxes. we don't know on who, but he would not specify any specific spending reductions and refusing to negotiate with the house republicans on the issue of the debt ceiling. lou, an interesting couple of months. looking for
. >> megyn: and my last question for you quickly he's put in place, 3.25 in place of deficit reduction, a little short of 4 trillion we need, but he would have the american public believe he's significantly reduced our deficit as president. >> which makes you wonder why we need another 2 trillion dollars so desperately now as we are getting ready for the beginning of his second term. obviously, that's 2 1/2 trillion that is, well, fanciful in my opinion and ethereal in others and...
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we are having more deficit. again because the problem isn't about taxes. it's about spending. republicans have to have campaign communications, strategy, like chinese water torture. it has to be drip, drip, drip. the american people are not dumb. but they need to hear over and over what they already know deep in their hearts. their family can't spend itself rich and the government can't spend itself rich. >> shannon: we will see all of those things coming down the pike, how the public views it and how lawmakers will respond to the problem. always good to see you. happy new year. >> happy new year to you and your viewers. the debate is rapid fire as lawmakers weigh in on deadly weapons and our constitutional rights. >> the likelihood is that they are not going to be able to get a assault weapon ban. >> taking away the rights of law-abiding citizens will not stop a deranged individual or a criminal. >> someone can walk into a wal-mart, buy a shopping cart full of ammunition, walk out, pay, no questions asked. >> shannon: very different views on an issue taking center stage. the
we are having more deficit. again because the problem isn't about taxes. it's about spending. republicans have to have campaign communications, strategy, like chinese water torture. it has to be drip, drip, drip. the american people are not dumb. but they need to hear over and over what they already know deep in their hearts. their family can't spend itself rich and the government can't spend itself rich. >> shannon: we will see all of those things coming down the pike, how the public...
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don't worry about it, it will work itself down the line and don't worry about the mounting debt and deficit. >> that's then and this is now. a debt as you pointed out 16.4 trillion dollars and rising constantly. we need a restraint on that debt. we cannot let it run away constantly. the and the debt ceiling is a restraint. what the democrats want is a blank check. i'm not sure it's constitutional because congress rules on the issue of money, not the executive branch. so, i'm not sure the constitutionality of it. if you did abolish this debt ceiling, you would pretty soon get yourself a downgrade. these rating agencies would say, your debt is just running away. you're not credit worthy. >> megyn: the debt ceiling is in place, it doesn't seem they trust our lawmakers to live within their moneys and with the money. when you look at 16.4 trillion, they're right, we're not living in our means. and there's a question, stu, you see that number, i think of my kids and think of my children. who is going to pay that number? it's probably not going to be me. >> right. >> megyn: it's probably going to
don't worry about it, it will work itself down the line and don't worry about the mounting debt and deficit. >> that's then and this is now. a debt as you pointed out 16.4 trillion dollars and rising constantly. we need a restraint on that debt. we cannot let it run away constantly. the and the debt ceiling is a restraint. what the democrats want is a blank check. i'm not sure it's constitutional because congress rules on the issue of money, not the executive branch. so, i'm not sure the...
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if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it was so testy yesterday? >> obama's best form is not necessarily a press conference which is why he does than do many of them. i which he was testy for one real reason. the republicans trying to take the full faith and crucify the united states currency and putting it at fist being. i'd invoke the 14th amendment, we'd problem below know that if we spent more time with the republicans wasting time on the floor of the house. i thought he ought to raise it and to hell with congress. martha: we talked to stewart varney and kirsten said in that sound byte, this isn't about default, pe
if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it...
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>> and fitch has specifically said it's because they want a credible, credible deficit reduction plan, a solution, a long-term solution. bill: which they said last year too. martha: when you take a look at the twin title waves coming at us with medicare and with social security, until you deal with those and reform those programs and strengthen them for future generations we are not going to solve the problem. bill: senator, thank you for your time and being patient. john barrasso on the hill, republican from wyoming. >> thank you, bill. martha: let's go back to the scene where they are working to extricate this woman. that's a look at her hand. they are trying to get her out of there as carefully as they possibly can. they have no idea whether she was broken bones or in terrible damage. at this point they say she is conscious and speaking with them. they are working very hard to get her out. boy will she have a story to tell when they do. we'll be right back here with breaking news from "america's newsroom" from portland this morning. hi. i'm henry winkler. and i'm here to tell homeo
>> and fitch has specifically said it's because they want a credible, credible deficit reduction plan, a solution, a long-term solution. bill: which they said last year too. martha: when you take a look at the twin title waves coming at us with medicare and with social security, until you deal with those and reform those programs and strengthen them for future generations we are not going to solve the problem. bill: senator, thank you for your time and being patient. john barrasso on the...
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we have clear issues, as pat was alluding to, with the debt and the deficit. they're not solved and the debt ceiling, while it's an important hurdle and i don't want to default and i think the president is substantively is right, we can't be a totally polarized nation and nor can we pit one against the other and is sub zero see site. president clinton got a deal with newt gingrich, a different philosophy, he reached out across the aisle. we have to deal with entitlements, it's not a question of not wanting to take care of old people or poor people or feeding poor children, i think everybody believes we should. it's how and what extent and in what way can we afford it. bottom line, i thought the president's tone was unfortunate. he did it in the press conference right after the election, and i think that ultimately, it does the american people a disservice. >> kirsten, you read some the left wing pundits and they've had it with president obama in their view bending in these discussions with the left. they think, you know, he extended the bush tax cuts a couple
we have clear issues, as pat was alluding to, with the debt and the deficit. they're not solved and the debt ceiling, while it's an important hurdle and i don't want to default and i think the president is substantively is right, we can't be a totally polarized nation and nor can we pit one against the other and is sub zero see site. president clinton got a deal with newt gingrich, a different philosophy, he reached out across the aisle. we have to deal with entitlements, it's not a question of...
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the problem is he is fronting for policies that are not dealing with the debt or the deficit. >> another gold man sacks guy who made a lot of money while the company was being raped. the real problem with lew, he represents the president's worst instincts, he scuttled the deal in 2011 by the introduction of more taxes and he says no, and this is obama on steroids to the left. he is pushing the country in a place that he doesn't have a mandate for but high has no opposition to stop. >> let me say one thing, the shame of these picks is they small. they are inside the beltway, they are small, they are political hacks, where the president wanted to be a transformational president. he has been re-elected. not many presidents in history are two term presidents and he can be a successful president if he does something great. the great thing he could do for a liberal democrat, is save the social safety net from financial collapse. he had the chance to do it and he still has a chance. >> others would have brought some imagination. the opposite of reagan. >> gentleman, hang in here we will come ba
the problem is he is fronting for policies that are not dealing with the debt or the deficit. >> another gold man sacks guy who made a lot of money while the company was being raped. the real problem with lew, he represents the president's worst instincts, he scuttled the deal in 2011 by the introduction of more taxes and he says no, and this is obama on steroids to the left. he is pushing the country in a place that he doesn't have a mandate for but high has no opposition to stop....
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what's motivating and propelling the thousands republicans is more than simply deficit reduction, they are suspicious about government commitment to make sure that seniors have decent health care and whether government should make sure that kids in poverty are getting enough to eat. that's an outrageous statement to begin with. on top of that that's not exactly a great way to forge bipartisan consensus. it o it's one thing to question your opponent's policies and another to question their motives. and he's not interested in forging bipartisan consensus on the debt, he's interesting in demonizing and dividing republicans and he's going to continue to do that in his second term. >> megyn: why would he be doing that, simon? >> i think it's called politics, megyn. i think what we expect out of our president, just like we expect out the republican party, is for them to fight as hard as they can for the things that they believe in. and to be -- and to make clear about what they believe the other side is doing, too. listen, i listened to rick santorum at the republican convention say that if
what's motivating and propelling the thousands republicans is more than simply deficit reduction, they are suspicious about government commitment to make sure that seniors have decent health care and whether government should make sure that kids in poverty are getting enough to eat. that's an outrageous statement to begin with. on top of that that's not exactly a great way to forge bipartisan consensus. it o it's one thing to question your opponent's policies and another to question their...
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they have had multibillion-dollar deficits in the past. what i like to do, some of my friends who don't believe taxes matter including the guy in the white house, i say if you don't think taxes matter and affect behavior, explain to me, bill, why it is there has been about 500,000 new jobs over the last 10 years created in texas with no income tax and where california lost about 500,000 jobs? there is lot of factors but i think taxes are one of them. bill: 13% for california. if that is the case they leapfrogged hawaii. matt, give you the last point. if bobby jindal gets his way do folks in louisiana have a better chance at tracking jobs? >> absolutely yes. look at call to, what jerry brown is doing is short-term fix. bringing money by increasing taxes but the long-term effect jobs will leave, people will leave and hurt the economy long term. bill: matt, thank you. steve moore, thank you as well. e-mail is hemmer@foxnews.com. viewers on home on twitter that follow me, @billhemmer, file your one word, not one word, one line. martha: one wor
they have had multibillion-dollar deficits in the past. what i like to do, some of my friends who don't believe taxes matter including the guy in the white house, i say if you don't think taxes matter and affect behavior, explain to me, bill, why it is there has been about 500,000 new jobs over the last 10 years created in texas with no income tax and where california lost about 500,000 jobs? there is lot of factors but i think taxes are one of them. bill: 13% for california. if that is the...